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Hall of Shame (page 7)Below are more stories of families unjustly separated by the "system" without representation of counsel and/or a Jury of their peers. The starting page, with an index, is here. These people have volunteered their stories so that everyone can understand the true damage being done, and also, so those who may be experiencing your own personal "nightmare" may realize -- you are not alone! We want you to here them in their own words. We can't vouch for the accuracy of these tales and we hope you will understand the bitterness and frustration you will hear in some of these. Name: Patrick & Samantha Weber Location: Milwaukee, WI Email Addr: Ssammie01@aol.com Children/Birth Date: Leandra Przybyla
1993 Date Separated: 4/1996 & 6/2001 Our daughter has been adopted by her foster parents Our nephew Michael's mother is in the process of having her rights terminated. Leandra was taken from us in April 1996 after a custody issue with her birth mother turned violent. I was trying to gain sole custody of my daughter since her mother had not had any contact with her in 2 years. Her birth mother showed up in court strung out on drugs and started a fist fight with my fiance. When we went into court the family law judge said he wanted the case turned into a "CHIPS" petition. This meant that the daughter I had fought so hard to keep with me would now be placed in a foster home 50 miles from where I lived. I had no vehicle and was only allowed to visit my daughter when her foster mother allowed and only around the corner from her home. I was also instructed not to bring anybody with me or the visit would be cancelled. Visits were always supervised and limited, the foster mother always had some type of conflict with the times that I would be available for visits. I worked second shift and Saturdays, leaving Sundays as my best chance of visiting with my daughter, except that the foster family had declared Sunday's "Family Day" and even though she was my daughter I was not permitted to visit with her on Sundays. As time progressed and I met as many of their requirements as I humanly could and got a little closer to getting my daughter back they pulled a new rabbit out of their hat. The accused me of molesting my daughter therefore stopping all visits unless supervised by a social worker, when they were available. I still don't know exactly what these social workers do with their time because they were never available for visits. Of course that was if they could get any one social worker to stay on the case for any length of time. Over the course my case I had nine different case workers on my case, and every time they changed that meant starting all over again. After completing a parenting class, Alcoholics Anonymous, Narcotics Anonymous, AODA treatment, Batterers Anonymous, counseling, getting married and keeping a very safe and healthy home they informed me that I would not be suitable to be given custody of my daughter, of course this decision was helped along by the foster mother who dearly wanted to adopt my daughter and had gotten permission from my daughter's absent biological mother to adopt they then forced my hand into giving up my parental rights. Now I live with the regret that I volunteered my rights and did not know enough at that time to fight fire with fire. I have lost my daughter to a woman who is old enough to be her great-grandmother has adopted 13 child. The system failed me and my daughter and now it is failing my sister in the exact same way. My nephew was placed in protective custody 13 months ago in a foster home where the foster mother has had 19 miscarriages and is unable to have children of her own so she has decided to use the foster care system in a way the the state officials allow, a "legalized adoption agency" you get to pick and choose the children that you would like to keep for yourself. If you don't like the child you can help make that child's return home successful, but boy, if you really like that child you can help the department keep the mother or father away and form a bond with that child and there you have a child to call your own and a lot sooner than going through a traditional adoption agency. My wife and I even tried to gain placement of our nephew but now the bond the foster family has formed him is more important the the bond mother and child formed through pregnancy and in the time they had together and it's more important than keeping him with his "biological family". I would like to see changes made in the system, families put back together and GAL's, DA's, and social workers held accountable for their actions. Our cases took place in Milwaukee, WI Name: Jerry Gunn Location: Centennial, CO Email Addr: ncp_justice@att.net Children/Birth Date: Kevin (1990), Shawn (1994) Date Separated: 1995 I want to let you know about a set of recent events that has made my stomach turn. This is a watered-down, but long story. Please hear me out. My only hope is that you will come to realize the full extent of the deep emotional turmoil and sense of hopelessness my husband is suffering at being separated from his children and over his dealings with the family court. To start, my husband had two very charming and beautiful boys with his then girlfriend, Jennifer. Kevin was born in 1990 and Shawn in 1994. Shortly after Shawn was born the relationship, in which both were abusive to each other, ended. The state of Michigan filed an order giving sole custody and control of the boys to Jennifer and ordered Jerry to pay the Friend of the Court (FOC) $128.00 plus administrative fees per week in child support. In addition, he was ordered to pay 90% of any unreimbursed medical expenses. The court order, however, failed to give Jerry any kind of visitation rights. Any visits he did have with the boys were at Jennifer's sole discretion and whim. I will commend her for allowing Jerry to see the boys on an every-other weekend schedule. Unfortunately, it was a rare occasion when he got holidays. Jennifer did write the FOC stating that she objected to Jerry paying support because he was already supporting her by paying many of her bills. If he didn't help pay her bills, she could not make it on her own and the children would suffer. So, Jerry continued to pay her bills and pay her directly the $128.00 per week to ensure his children were taken care of. After approximately a year, Jennifer disobeyed the court order and moved the children out to Colorado in 1995. Jerry missed his children so much that after a year he packed up everything, left his family and friends, and moved to Colorado to be with them. Since then it has been a constant struggle. Now, my husband is not a saint, nor do I want to paint him as such. But I want you to see what he has done to support his family. Please keep this in mind as you read on. During the first couple of years Jerry was in Colorado, he attempted to find employment. As a laborer and painter, the jobs were inconsistent and paid very little. Although attempting to keep up with his support order, there were times when he literally gave Jennifer every dime to his name. And, as he is not familiar with the law, was unaware of his right to request a modification. In early 2000, Jerry and I started dating. We had dated twice before, but that's not relevant. Shortly thereafter Jerry and I set a wedding date for August 18, 2001, and he moved in with me since I owned a town home and his was unemployed. Jerry finally found a job as a construction assistant superintendent. However, because of financial difficulties, Jerry could not obtain a checking account and we deposited his paychecks into my account. I maintained and paid all bills, including his child support and other various child-related costs. In August 2000, Jennifer got upset with Jerry and demanded a child support payment before it was due. After a heated discussion, Jennifer called back and left a voice mail message state, "This is the deal: you don't see kids until I see the money." This was the point that I told Jerry he needed to get an attorney and a custody battle soon followed. Although our original intent was to get Jerry legal rights to his boys established and in writing, we found more information about their household and life style that gave us cause for concern. We have found that their stepfather has abused the boys on more than one occasion and consistently uses corporal punishment on them. Jennifer has neglected the boys by failing to get them additional educational assistance when both were failing (Kevin in 4th and Shawn in kindergarten), and didn't get Kevin the dental care he needed when he had an abscessed tooth. Additionally, Kevin has been diagnosed as having Post-Traumatic Stress disorder with psychotic features. He also wets the bed every night. Now, I can give additional examples of all the other tidbits we have learned about, but these simple examples should give you insight. So, we petitioned the court for sole custody hoping to at least get more time and a little more decision-making in their lives. Jerry wanted to help his boys become mature, responsible adults. He felt that boys need their father and mother; not just a visitor. Finally, Jerry was in a position to help his children and wanted to do just that. I do want to point out that since this has started we have been alienated from their lives. It is on a rare occasion that Jennifer informs us of doctor and therapy appointments as well as school happenings. At one point it got so bad, that Jerry or I was stopping at the school every Thursday to find out what was going on and what we could to do help. In fact, Jennifer failed to show up to two of Kevin's IEP assessment conferences and didn't show up for Kevin's Parent/Teacher conference. In addition, we have had to do damage control by explaining to the boys that their Dad DOES support them. Yes, he does pay child support. No, he didn't abandoned you when you were young. Additionally, Jerry and I offered to pay for summer school and offered to place them on our insurance. Both of which Jennifer declined. Also, we have purchased school supplies, school cloths and various other items for them. Not once has the money been an issue if we had it. We also hired a custody evaluator to make sure that we weren't doing this for the wrong reason and to get his opinion. Unfortunately, we spent $6,500 for an inaccurate and incomplete report. Not to mention the fact that he didn't get his job done on time causing a continuance. The evaluator failed to contact important references and then proceeded to write up an additional report about the stepfather hitting Kevin over the head with a gate. In his report he stated that he had talked to all parties involved when he hadn't. Essentially committing fraud on the court. We did, however, come out with a recommendation for ½ time and joint decision-making. With the evaluator's report in hand and all our witnesses, we thought for sure we would at least get a couple additional days a week with the boys. Jerry was a loving, attentive father who wanted nothing more than to be involved with his sons. How could we loose? Boy, were we dead wrong. We received our verdict from Magistrate Angela Arkin on August 9, 2002 that allowed my husband's two boys to remain in an abusive and neglectful environment. We even had one of the boys' neighbors testify to what she had been witnessing: ongoing verbal and physical abuse, a filthy house and information from Jennifer that they were selling their house and would move the boys away from Jerry. But, the Magistrate completely ignored it. In addition, we got slammed with hefty arrearages, child support, and a portion of her lawyer fees. All that essentially take 2/3 of my husband's income...putting him below poverty level. To add to this horrible set of circumstances, I was just laid off from my job. My husband and I are trying to figure out how we are going to survive. He can't support himself, let alone his new family. During the trial, we were not allowed to enter so many things into evidence. Some of which included taped telephone conversations of Jennifer calling Jerry to help her because Kevin had gotten out of control, and one where Kevin called crying because his Mom had slapped him across the face for talking-back. If you could only hear the hurt and confusion in this boy's voice. Other items included school records and copies of expenses that Jerry had paid on behalf of his children. Her attorney's opening statement included the fact that Jerry was heavily in arrears. Now, since the Magistrate had been a former child support enforcement officer, this set her off immediately. Do I think Jerry owed Jennifer money for arrears? Yes. Do I think that affects his ability to parent his children now? No. I feel that the Magistrate was so clearly biased that she failed to hear our side. And I would also like to mention the fact that there are so many mistakes of facts in her order I wonder if she was even in the same courtroom. My husband was blamed for not giving their mother additional money when she asked for it and continually made reference to his "unwillingness to financially support his children." She then proceeded to dismiss the fact that their mother committed welfare fraud, is underemployed, and allows their stepfather to abuse them. Needless to say, the boys are confused as well. All they wanted was more time with Dad. Now what happens when they move away? After going through the process we've spent over $40,000 in attorney fees and other related expense, lost our savings and am now left with no choice but to continue pro-se. We can't figure out how we are going to appeal this, or if we can. If we can, where do we begin? I need help understanding how scared, unprepared, or overwhelmed fathers can be helped to go on trying for the love of their children. Today, there is no carrot for fathers -- only
the stick. I believe that there is an undeniable need for the family court to
protect many women, but there is also a strong need for an "unbiased"
inquiry into family law and the child-support system to make it fairer and
"less brutalizing" for men. Now, I want you to know that if even for
an instant I though my husband was a danger to those boys, I would not have
supported him throughout this ordeal. What I ask of you is to help. Please help
us get our story public. We need publicity! If there is anyone out there who can
help us and help the children fight this injustice, we would be eternally
grateful. Thank you for your time. Name: Mary Jo Marceau-Hawthorne Location: Macedon, NY Email Addr: mmarceauhawthorne@yahoo.com Children/Birth Date: Gwen Ann Marceau, August 12 1985 Date Separated: November 1999
click on image for larger version. I appealed and asked for a review of the case when I found out she might be suffering from depression. I have never been allowed to have Gwen come home to live and never was any family preservation counseling done by CPS although they claimed to the judge under oath that it was done. Even my daughter knows it was not done but she defends CPS because they give her any thing she wants. They don't supervise my daughter properly and allowed her to go driving with 17 and 18 year old boys at the age of 14. She is now in a foster home and the foster parents are angry with me when I criticize their parenting of my daughter. The foster parents both work yet they are paid by the state and county for watching my daughter who is home alone after school. She was supervised in my home after school. My daughter has claimed to me that she had a relationship with a boy that is 21 and named Joe. The foster folks have a son that is 21 and is named Joe. The judge didn't even bother listening to me and he made all of the decisions. My daughter testified and the judge believed every word she said and none of what I said. The family courts are corrupt, the CPS and Family Placement divisions are corrupt and violating our constitutional rights as parents. They have absolute power that has corrupted absolutely. We are being treated like a pay check instead of a parent by the court system and this corrupt system is deceiving the tax paying public and misappropriating funds to keep this corruption going. We need to take a stand!!!!! We need to take back our country. Name: Elaine Hartin Location: Deltona, FL Email Addr: cehartin@hotmail.com Children/Birth Date: Grey Hartin (1991) Date Separated: Aug 28, 1998 My aunt and uncle have custody of my daughter. We will be going to court soon for a contempt hearing. I filed contempt charges against them for violating my court awarded visitation on Mother's Day weekend (of all weekends). I am also planning to take them back to court for a change of custody hearing, but my attorney won't do anything yet because I owe him a rather large sum of money. My daughter was taken from me by a temporary emergency custody order that was filled with false information. This order was granted without any rebuttal opportunity from me, nor was the Department of Social Services (South Carolina) notified or asked to investigate. I am a gay mom who has been with my partner for four and a half years. My daughter loves us both dearly and she is miserable with my aunt and uncle. I have been handed the burden of proof of fitness from the beginning and I have faced a biased family court system and two biased attorney guardian-ad-litems (one admitted to my attorney she was biased against me only after she had given her recommendation and the hearing was over). The judge's latest decision was that he did not find me unfit, but he did not feel that I was fit enough to care for my daughter. I also suffer from manic depression, but I see a doctor regularly and I take my medication faithfully every day. My lifestyle and my illness have been used against me at every turn. I'm chastised for seeing a psychologist to treat my illness, even though it has really helped me get my life and priorities straight. My lifestyle is condemned, though my girlfriend has been VERY supportive throughout this hell. We own a home together, have steady good paying jobs, and a wonderful circle of family and friends who support and love us unconditionally. We have everything a "normal, conventional family" has except a piece of paper that says we have right to live together (otherwise known as a marriage certificate). I'm not crusading for gay rights, I just want people to understand that I can love my daughter just the same as a "normal family" can. God made us all and he doesn't make mistakes. I'm currently having to fight to keep my aunt and uncle from alienating my daughter from me. They stand in the way of almost every opportunity we have together and the court seems to condone this. It seems as if I have no rights as a natural mother. The family court system in Lexington County, South Carolina has only two to four judges available to handle cases so you pretty much go before the same ones every time. The guardians are attorneys so they all know each other, the judges,... and you know the rest of the story. Your chances for a fair trial are slim to none since your case is not decided by a jury, but by the judges and the guardians. The need for reform is definitely in order. Parents, whether on opposing sides or fighting a third-party, seem to have no rights whatsoever when it comes to fighting for their children. Their children's fate lies in the hands of complete strangers, stangers who get paid to break up families every day. Something needs to be done to stop this. No one should have to deal with this sort of pain, especially children. Name: Jack Jonnasen Location: Gainesville, FL Email Addr: critterbytes@yahoo.com Children/Birth Date: Erica (1986) Date Separated: 8 May 2002 I can't describe what I was feeling the first few weeks! You know, they took her from school? I didn't even see it happen. I found myself wandering about the back yard, late one night, wondering if she was buried there! My mind wasn't making the connection that they took her. (I knew, but I didn't see it happen, so it didn't!) I lost about ten pounds the first two weeks, ya just don't feel much like eating. I break out crying, for no reason, in the middle of the day... A major part of my life, 15 years worth of it, has just been yanked out from under me. I'm scared. The doors are all locked, the fence is chained, and I'm still afraid of being broken in on, at any moment, to be arrested...And for what? What did I do??? I can't get them to tell me much about what is going on. I'm only given single page notices to appear. I've been to court now, 4 times. We're scheduled to appear for mediation next week. The third visit, the court appointed attorney finally showed up. He read me the riot act. He told me I should "go walk in front of a truck!" "Don't you have any friends?" he asked Lately, it don't feel that way! My confidence in him is at an all time low. He told them to take my daughter, "we aren't going to contest this, this is now lack of porch screens type of case!" His secretary is nice, but she has only scheduled me one appointment to talk with him, and that is for two days before the mediation. I'm feeling better, now it's a few weeks into all this. I saw Erica at court. I hardly recognized her, she has her hair dyed black. She was in tears, and gave me a hug. I'm not supposed to have any contact with her, so I'm confused. I hand her a letter I wrote and restrain myself from getting excited. She walks away, the social worker yanks the letter from her hands before she gets a chance to read it. She gave me a father's day present, and left... She was on the opposite side of the court during the proceedings. I'm to get a batterer's assessment. My daughter has never been injured by me. I have to go to parenting classes. I still am not allowed any contact with my daughter. We meet again in a week to discuss the charges... All this psychiatric consultation, it's only about money? God, I hope so! Then there would be a solution. Just throw some money at it! And, I could be done with it! Well, I'm realizing the state's message is this: you are not allowed to criticize your kid, don't ever raise your voice at them, and god forbid, you should even "think" about smackin' them! You are allowed to only think "happy, happy" thoughts while in your child's presence! A minor, after all, could never do any wrong! And your mental disturbances will most likely rub off on them! So, they should be strictly censored… You are required to give your child a minimum of three hugs and a dozen compliments a day. Your child had better come before all else! (Or, else!) If she says "Dad, you need to take me to the mall", you had better be at the car, keys ready, fishing for your wallet, asking "how much do you want, honey?” And, “shall I bring the car around for you, later? At what time, would be convenient for you m'am?" It doesn't matter that the truck payment is due, along with the bill for her dental work, and the credit she ran up on clothes she didn't need, or that you may be a little short! Dig deep! And, you had better be doing all this, with a smile! :0) Should your daughter tell you, she decided to go to the school 25 miles across town. So, she can be with her boy friends. (one of which she just broke up with, the one who is the reason she decided to do the first unsuccessful suicide attempt) When a better one, that she was hot to go to only a month before, is closer. So, you can spend hours driving her to sporting events, or other extra curricular events of her choosing (or just give it up, and let her go unsupervised). You, had better tell her how clever she is, and what a smart decision she made! If she lies to you about her relation ships, her activities over the Internet, about any adults she has on going relationships with... Well, it's none of your damned business! She has a "right to privacy!" (I don't recall ever seeing that one on the books!) Should you notice unusual tire tracks in the yard, and strange foot prints, do not even think about inquiring as to "Who was here this after noon, honey?" It only demonstrates that you are paranoid, obviously in need of psychiatric care, and psychotropic medications! Do not ever inquire as to where strange articles of underwear came from. Which, you would never allow her to purchase. And, Yes! 17 year old boys, commonly do make $50 gifts to 15 year old girls, when it is not their birthday, or other special event! "You should be happy, Mr. Johnson, that your daughter hasn't started using drugs, or committed any serious crimes, considering all the crap you put her through!" My lawyer told me. Ya, right! And monkeys will fly out my butt! Let me bend over so they can see! :0) Should your daughter attempt suicide, not report it, and lie to you about it, and then report it to social services... You are guilty of gross negligence and mental abuse! This makes you eligible to have your child removed from your home, to protect her from you. Even though, she has already demonstrated that she is the only one dangerous to her self! Further more, the department of protective services will ask the courts to go directly into your income sources , bypass your choice in the matter (even though your credit is good) to cover any damages we deem appropriate, until the end of your life! You lousy abusive scum bag! Only the state can determine what is best for your kid. So, if you haven't been to a state sponsored “education program of parenting” that they requested (and of which there is no legal requirement), you have absolutely no rights as a parent. Or, to expect to be treated with any dignity on the matter... Your children may be seized for any reason the department deems necessary! It then becomes your financial responsibility, to try to get them back. Because, in this day and age you are guilty of any crimes the state accuses you of. And, it remains so, until you have been to a state sponsored psychologist for mental health screening. You must be cleared for parenting by an approved school, and have proven beyond any reasonable doubt that you are innocent of any crimes, misdemeanors, or insults, your child, any stranger, or anonymous fax, 'suggests' you may have committed upon her. Or, your child may be removed if the department thinks 'you may' , or 'may be about to' commit any of the above. "This is only a civil suit, Mr. Johnson! (that is why we brought two squad cars to accompany us, and ask you if you had any weapons in your car while it was on your property, and you were not driving it) Of course we knew you would be unwilling to surrender your social security information, had the kind officers not so ordered it from you!" "By the way, did you ever say that you wished your daughter were dead? There is no reason to get upset, Mr. Johnson! We are only doing our jobs! We take children from their parents, all the time. It really isn’t a big deal…" (I heard that Nazi Germany had a similar philosophy, and programs :0) Long live totalitarianism! Now that they have my attention, and my child...Ya, I could use some help! “When is the department going to go after her mother for back child support? We asked for assistance with that 10 years ago. Yes, I would like her to have visits with her mother. I think she is upset that mom failed to vist over spring break. When are they going to help me get some sort of reasonable custody agreement worked out?” “Yes, Being an inexperienced single male parent, I could use some insight into the workings of the teen aged girl's mind! Why are the state's sponsored psychologists the only ones who can give me this information, and no one else? Why is it that it only became important for me to have this information right now? When did their psychology training become a lawful prerequisite to custody?” “If my daughter is suicidal, and hides it from me, how does that make me negligent? Yes, I could use some help for my daughter's mental health problems! What services should I seek from your department for a suicidal teen? “ “What? You believe that just separating my daughter from me, and placing her at a girl friend's home with her uncertified single mother, is sufficient help? (Hello! Is there something wrong with this picture? Or, is it just me???) Why isn't she on suicide watch? Or, getting a full drug and pregnancy screening? Why is she not placed with a certified foster care family? The state's official reply: "Now that we have your daughter, we'll get back to you on that! It takes up to three months to work up a foster care plan. It could take up to a year...So, hurry up and seek psychiatric counseling for your self, and take all these classes we have proscribed! (at your own expense, of course!)” “By the way, it would be really convenient, if you wouldn't bother us with any lawyers you might seek assistance from! “ “And, don't forget to drop off some more clothes at the front desk. You know? The one with the 'community service' helpers manning it... “ “Thank You! Please go away now!" All said and done, with a very toothy smile, the social worker walked off with a disgusted look on her face. As if, I had been being difficult! I noticed her sharply pull the bottom of her blouse down in front, making it pop, like a disgusted officer on Star Trek might do! I still have my prayers going, I'm hopping that the judges have more sense than these investigators and social workers do. And I pray, my daughter is not a psychotic mess, when they get through with her! Following UPDATE submitted on 7/25/02: The department is "working towards reunification" story:: This is a copy of some correspondence with a friend: Ron, About time those turkeys picked up on the truth. Mitch and Joanie (me too) feel you need to sue the adult that put E up to it (getting department of Women and Children involved) for your monetary loss and loss of affection. You need to talk to a good lawyer that handles such cases. Ralph Hi Ralph, Those turkeys believed that I was the turkey, all fattened up, and ready for the kill! Erica told them I was psychotic, refusing to go to the VA for treatment, and not taking my medications. Gee, ya think they could have at least made a phone call to the VA to confirm that? :0) This woman that helped Erica is, no doubt, a nosey busybody. But, I think that she actually helped. She doesn't know anything but what Erica told her. And, that is what she reported. I think it's chicken-shit of her to FAX it anonymously, but that isn't what is damaging. She did get E. some place to get her helped for her psychological problems. So, I'd have difficulty showing that she damaged me. I still think it's the department, at fault. And, I think they will be, until they return Erica to my home! Well, I still don't have Erica's deposition tape. I wasn’t invited to attend it. They want to withhold it from me for some reason. My lawyer's secretary seems to think it should be my lawyer's decision weather, or not, I have a copy of it. Don't we have a fundamental right to face our accusers in this country? I guess we don't, not when it is a child involved! When did it become the lawyer's right to decide? (I think my lawyer's secretary needs a kick in the buttocks!) If I had the tape, at least then I could understand what E’s complaint is all about! E's angry at me. I can't fix that. It can only be fixed with family counseling. (Or, so the social worker thinks. She seems to control a lot more of this whole process, than anyone is letting on.) So, the worker gives me a list of family counselors, and tells me to get help, on my own account. I get to pay. We both get to go. She was even gracious enough to "allow" me to come pick up Erica at Interface, to do the sessions. Well, she also tells me that the counselors must be state certified, but she doesn’t say in what, or if it means that they are just state licensed. The people on her list don't even know what she is asking for! Also, Interface tells her, "You had better make him clear his visits and pick ups through your office, before you let E. out to go to counseling." I can understand that. I can schedule a fictitious appointment, and then take her to Mc D's. Do they just make up the rules as they go along? (I'm wondering where this Social Worker keeps her brain, when she is not using it! :0) So, I'm hung up on securing the family counseling, until she clarifies it. In the mean time, home studies are being done in CA at E's mom's house. I see social services saying one thing, and doing quite another, delaying me just enough to see if they can't place Erica at her mom's. I don't like what I see! In court, there are big pats on the back, and smiley faces. Out of court, there are changes in plans, and delays to the process. Why? So, E can have a vacation at her mom's? I think that will add a lot more confusion to this mess, than it needs! She can work out her differences with her mom, after she has focused on the big problem that landed her at Interface... Social Services seems to be going out of their way to make Erica comfortable. Why her, and not any of the others? This looks real suspicious to me! I wish I could sue somebody. But I think the state workers are insulated from prosecution. I think the biggest foul up going on, is at the state level. And, It's the state's rules and regulations that seem to need an overhaul. My sister keeps telling me about all the horror stories that are involved with FL's dept. of women and children. They keep broadcasting them in Va. (I just realized that it might be the name that is confusing these people… It should be the ‘department of families’, period! Then men aren't the logical and unstated enemy!) I think the department is guilty of failing to insert brain, before acting on child's complaint! They took E's story at face value. They didn't look into it for the facts. Well the facts are out, and now the department has egg on their face. But they are still justified in holding Erica. She needs psychological help. She told them she is suicidal. That is what they are holding her for, now. Of course they aren't explaining it that way to me. I'm just the "offending parent"! (That title needs a change now, too. Along with a rewrite of the laws so they can deal with that, when it comes up. They need a way to send the child right back home, immediately, when the parent is found to be not “offending”!) Mean time, this is going to be listed in the final results as "unfounded". Unfounded cases will still take 6 months, or more, of separation! So a child can be picked up for assistance, separated from her family, and detained, while they verify that it is "unfounded", for 6 months, or more, with out a trial, and with out a court order! The parents can also be denied visitation, or contact, and be ordered into parenting classes, and/or to counseling, because the dept. deems it “necessary”! And all that, on a social worker’s whim! I’ve also found that the department can be a bit vindictive, using visitation as a ‘carrot and a stick.’ Mine promised me visitation, then rescinded that when she discovered that I was not ”cooperating with the department”. That is, I consulted with my lawyer, and then refused to just turn over my personal documents at her request. Now, how “unfounded” can that get? I’m either a threat to my daughter, or not. And, that should be the sole deciding factor with regard to visitation! Had the lawyer explained all that, this wonderfully pleasant experience I’m having with the department, to me, on day one, instead of showing up to court late, and giving me the rushed explanation at the temporary shelter hearing, "We can't win this! Just give her to them, and I'll help you get her back..." I'd have said, "No!" Right there, and then. So, if there is a case or cause for damages... I think the lawyer was in the know on this, and was too busy, or just failed to help me correctly at that time. Or maybe, he is paid better, by the state, to play these child welfare games? He quoted me "$5k, up front, flat fee..." Does the state pay him by the hour? If so, we are really putting in the time on this! (none dare call it a "conspiracy!" :0) Erica is (I think) cutting herself (allegedly, on two occasions). Supposedly, she did it to get my attention. But, she's not letting me know she did it. Very strange! I would think that she would want me to know, if I'm the reason!) Anyhow, she is using some very bad means to settle her differences. Those means indicate mental problems. For that, she needs help. So, I'm not really damaged by the woman who sent the anonymous faxes. And, the department needs to help Erica. But, I don't see how they need to keep her separated from me! Only Erica, has been proven to be dangerous, and then, only to herself! In the mean time, I get to suffer through the process! Why could they not just tell me, "You need to get help for your daughter," and send her home? They can always follow up on it, and can take up custody with the courts at any time. But it seems like, once they got them in their greedy little clutches on the children, they intend to keep them! Are they saying, “Let's keep the easy cases, to justify the budgets, and show we are over worked, and under funded?" I think that needs to be looked into! They’ve already had Erica for 9 weeks! My next court date is 10 weeks away. That means, no court order to return Erica to my home, at least, not until then. It will be at least 20 weeks, before Erica is returned to my custody! (And we thought we had it resolved!) "Things are moving very quickly, by our terms..." my lawyer's secretary tells me. "Not by my mine! " I tell her. "This whole thing seems a bit insane! The department tells us, “We are going to work towards reunification..." in court… “But, we are going to send E. to CA for a little visit with her mother, first! “ They tell me outside of side of court, (where I can't have the judge think it over). "You need to get family counseling for you and your daughter, before we can consider unsupervised visitation. But, you can do that, after your daughter returns..." They continue...Is there some thing wrong with this picture, or is it just me? God! I hope she does return! :0) Mean time, Ralph, if you guys can find it in your hearts to forgive Erica her indiscretion, we could use a supervised visit. I think we can get a dinner out approved with you and Joanie. We'd have to get it approved through the dept. and you would have to pick E. up at Interface. I think that would help a lot! But I'd understand, if you need to decline. (My heart is still hurting too!) In any case, I'd still like to take you guys to dinner to the place of your choice, my treat! :0) Let me know what's a good time… LAteR ON!
Name: Debra Moreland Location: Grafton, WV Email Addr: PoohHug@aol.com Children/Birth Date: Joshua Moreland age 9; Toby Moreland age 6, and Nina Moreland age 4
(as of July 2002) Yes I have not seen them since the last weekend in February And because I was going through a depression from not having my kid's I am no longer aloud to see them. Their abusive father has them and his lies has caused me the loss of my kid's. In my divorce { which was because he left the kid's and me for my own cousin } my lawyer would not fight for me to keep my kid's with me. My husband in June of last year left bruises on two of our three kid's and then left us for my cousin and her two kid's. I turned him in trying to protect my kid's for being abused by him any more. He went and told lies on me and made it look like I abused them when I never did abuse our kid's. This caused me a lot of problems when it came time to go to divorce court. The case worker did not even try to find out if what he was saying was true. She just believed him over the truth. She told my lawyer that if he went in and fought for my kid's I would be stripped of my rights to be their mother. He told me the day of court he would not fight for me and made me sign a parent agreement. I called my kid's every night and he didn't like this fact, or the fact he had to bring the kid's to me on my time to visit them and come back to get them. So he went and told the case worker I was filling the kid's heads with things and because I know he drinks and drives with them and was trying to look out for my kid's by calling the cops and asking questions about what I can do to make sure he wasn't drinking when he came to get the kid's. I was no longer allowed to call them and only had supervised visits at His dad and mom's. This caused me to go into a really big Depression and I end up signing my self in the hospital twice from it. Now I am not aloud to even see my kids and I am being forced to just let his abuse keep on going. My parents are going to fight for their rights to see my kid's and this case worker is trying to keep them from it. She told me she will see they have no contact with my kid's. So I am left doing this about these laws that is to prevent child abuse but is causing it and letting real child abuse keep on going untouched. The facts our like this, our Federal Government coughs up just under $20,000 dollars a year for each child in foster care weather or not they are being abused or not. 192,000 children every weekday is being but in foster care and this don't mean these children are being abused but that Child Protective Services say they are. 8 out of 10 of these children in foster care are being abused and/or killed by their foster parents. This makes them abusing our kid's as well as us parents. If we all got together and fight to have these laws changed or new ones made. This may just put a stop to good parents being abused by the system. If you
are willing to stand up for your rights contact me and let me know what you are
willing to do to help. The other sad fact in all of this is trying to prove you
are a good parent. If you can find a lawyer to stand up and fight for you. You
will be spending thousands of dollars, and this don't mean you will win. Only
that you are spending money to try and prove you are not a bad parent. My email
address is PoohHug989@aol.com and my home address is : Its time the system was changed to stop abuse and not do abuse. My Name is Debra Moreland and I am standing up for all parents rights not just my own. Name: Mike Mates Location: Concord, CA Email Addr: joseph.m.mates@bankofamerica.com Children/Birth Date: Ryan (1998) Date Separated: 15 June 2002 My wife convinced the mediator that my "presence in the home" was causing emotional stress for our son and that my son does not think of me as a father, he thinks of me as an "uncle" and I have virtually no relationship with him. These things are completely untrue. In addition I am gainfully employed, have been for 22 years, have no vices, am educated and there has been no physical or emotional abuse. yet the court bought what she said, I have to more out and there has been a "temporary" custody order allowing me to see my son 1 day a week and every other weekend. We both have to attend a second custody evaluation paid for by me ($4000). I'm ok with that. Right now I live in OUR home and see him every day morning, night and a tremendous amount of time on the weekend. What is wrong with this picture? My attorney told me today; You lost the first round, move out of the house. My problem, moving out before the second custody evaluation will damage my relationship with my son thus hurting my chances at the second custody evaluation. How come a mother is assumed to be a good mother, by virtue of the fact that she is a mother, and a father has to prove he is a good father. I even provide at least 10 letters of reference to the judge and mediator and just just blew it off. Any suggestions. I am contacting a second attorney tomorrow. A "men only" attorney. My current attorney is not the "pit bull" type I need. I don't think she understand men only issues. Name: Shanda Behl Location: Portland, OR Email Addr:
hiz_angel@msn.com Up until leaving, I had been a stay at home mom virtually. My financial resources had been cut by 95% when I left! Anyways, I had a legal aid lawyer for low income families and that was it. His father told me that if I did not give! up custody to him!, then he would take me to court on the accusation of MSBP. He even got "experts"e; involved at get financial cost. I have enough evidence and proof that I have not subjected my son to this horrible abuse, but it takes money to get it in court. His dad had money and I did not. If I went to court to fight to keep custody, I would have walked out with nothing, not even supervised visits. Not because of guilt, but because I did not have the funding to get the proof of my innocence into court. Legal aid does not pay for subpoenas, expert witnesses, evaluations, testing or anything else. It only covers the number of hours your lawyer puts in, like a mechanic, you pay for the labor and then you pay for parts ,but it is worthless if you do not have the parts and the labor! So, in fear of what would happen if I went to court without being able to properly defend myself, I willingly (under duress) signed over custody without ever going to court. Well, we had 2 hearing! s, one was for him! to have visitation, the other was whether or not he had the right to access all my medical records by subpoena. The visitation was supervised for him and he was denied access to my records. So, I thought that by giving up custody willingly would be the best choice for these reasons. 1) If I went to court now, I would have custody taken away for lack of proof of innocence and not have another chance, or 2) Willingly give up custody, get my ducks in row and go back in prepared. It seemed to me that the 2nd option seemed to be the best one. Boy was I wrong! In the end, both options would end up having the same results. He now has custody, and I have supervised visitation and I have no rights and am more worthless now that I was in the beginning. I can not even move to have unsupervised visitation as if I do his father has said that he will then take me to court for termination of parental rights and /or criminal charges. It is no longer about what is best for our children, it is now, who has money? Money is deciding where my son lives and what
kind of quality of life he will grow with. My hands are tied till a money tree sprouts in my mail box or back yard to hire an attorney that
will take this on. Name: Wendy Miller Location: Angie, LA E-Mail Address: ncoolmaw@wmconnect.com Children/Birth Date: Koby Miller (2000) & Kaitlin Miller (2001) Date Separated: 11/2001 One night in November, 2001 my one-month-old baby girl, Kaitlin, stopped breathing while in the arms of my husband, Brian. I was in the bedroom with my little boy, Koby, about twenty feet down the hallway from where Brian was trying to get Kaitlin to sleep. She had been pretty irritable all night with what we thought was a stomachache. I heard Kaitlin crying as I was clipping Koby’s fingernails, and I heard her when she stopped crying. I thought nothing of it; I just thought she had cried herself to sleep. It was at that point that my husband carried her back to the bedroom where I was to tell me that she felt funny. When I observed her, it was obvious something was very wrong, and this is when my worst nightmare began. I frantically called 911 and told them to send an ambulance immediately. I then called my dad who lives about 100 yards from our house and told him something was wrong with Kaitlin. Brian had already started giving Kaitlin some rescue breaths while I was on the phone. As soon as my dad arrived, he and Brian began CPR. Kaitlin had begun faintly crying when the ambulance arrived about 20 minutes later. My dad met the paramedic at the door where he handed Kaitlin over and the man laid her on an adult sized stretcher and instructed me to sit in the front seat. The ambulance drove away with my little girl, totally unrestrained, and then proceeded to the end of the road where the driver slammed on breaks to avoid a collision with a Sheriff’s deputy. She was rushed to Riverside Hospital in Franklinton by the way of rural roads. The paramedic attempted to start an IV in Kaitlin’s foot, but failed. When we arrived at the hospital, Kaitlin was stable and the ER team began tests. After being in the ER for a couple of hours, they admitted her into a regular room, but still had not made a diagnosis. They mentioned sepsis and reflux apnea as possible diagnoses. The next morning her doctor examined her and was considering sending her home but after conferring with the pediatrician decided to transfer her to Children’s Hospital for precautionary reasons. The doctor also said they would teach us to use an apnea monitor. On the way to Children’s Hospital, Kaitlin began having seizures. Once she was admitted to Children’s, she began seizing more frequently so they sent her to Pediatric ICU. We were not given any information on Kaitlin’s condition, just that it was grave. The next day a Washington Parish OCS investigator and a forensic pediatrician, Dr. Scott Benton were questioning us about what had happened. We answered all of their questions very honestly and cooperated whole-heartedly; however, it didn’t make any difference. In their minds, they already knew what had happened, and it was at this point that we realized that Brian was being accused of child abuse. Dr. Benton labeled my husband from the very beginning saying that because he was young, unemployed, and former military, he fit the profile of a child abuser perfectly. While we were trying to digest that, they also told us that they wanted to perform a range of tests on our son, then 16 months old, for a sibling comparison in which he would have to be put to sleep. The tests on my son were to be performed in Franklinton so if I wanted to be with him that meant I would have to leave my little girl. All of the tests on Koby came back fine, but we were still told that we! were not to be alone with our son. After three weeks in Children’s Hospital, Kaitlin was released, but not to the loving and comforting hands of her parents. OCS had decided to take custody of both of our children and placed them with my mom and dad. Since then, my husband and I have been allowed liberal visitation but an adult must supervise us at all times. We have both cooperated to the fullest extent with law enforcement and OCS. Brian has been before a Grand Jury who passed a “No True Bill”. We’ve been told by our caseworker that the department believes the only reason Brian was not prosecuted is because there was political influence by my dad on the Assistant DA, which makes absolutely no sense. Regardless, the Assistant DA has decided to override the Grand Jury and prosecute Brian anyway. We have been to see two doctors with our caseworker, which have disputed some of Dr. Benton’s theories. Both times after the appointments, OCS arranged meetings with Dr. Benton and the disputing doctors. The doctors now deny ever telling us anything that disputed Dr. Benton’s theories. Our case worker has even told us and one of the doctors that she is not totally convinced that Brian abused Kaitlin and that she didn’t agree with the recommendation that she was going to give in court but that if she didn’t give that recommendation she would be fired. OCS has also been using me to try to get a confession from Brian. I have been told that unless I convict and divorce my husband, I will never get my kids back. My parents have also felt threatened by OCS. OCS has said that because my parents do not believe that Brian abused Kaitlin they too are potentially a threat to the safety of my kids; and, therefore, my children could be placed in foster care. My husband has been very adamant that he did not harm our little girl, but OCS just keeps telling us that until they know what happened we will never get our kids back. OCS has said that they do not believe that I did anything to Kaitlin, but because they do not know exactly what happened, I am a threat to my kids’ safety. I have been in counseling for ten months. Brian has also been through counseling but has been told that unless he makes a confession, there is no reason for him to be counseled any further. Both of the counselors were hired by OCS. They want my husband to make a confession to something that he did not do and even then we are not guaranteed that we will ever get our kids back. We have explained every detail to the best of our recollection of that horrible night to law enforcement, OCS, a grand jury, and a judge. We have waived all of our rights to testify. We have completely cooperated with everything anyone has asked of us. OCS has even told! us that there is nothing short of a confession that we can do to end this mess and get our kids back. In October, 2002, we attended a hearing in which the judge decided to give legal guardianship of my children to my parents. At that same hearing we also found out that my husband was being charged with second degree cruelty to a juvenile. We have hired separate attorneys now, but they haven’t been able to do anything for us. At Brian’s pre-trial hearing the attorney told us that after speaking with the prosecutor and the trial judge neither believe the allegations against my husband. The prosecutor has also told my husband’s attorney that the DA’s office does not want to prosecute this case, but they have to satisfy OCS. I ask, “Who’s running the show here?” but I think the answer is obvious. I understand the reason why OCS got involved in this case, but they have taken this too far. Something has to be done. My daughter is now 18 months old and my son is almost 3 years old. Both children are very healthy, and we are all managing the situation the best we can. My biggest fear is that by the time my children get to come home, if ever, they will not want to anymore. I could not handle that since my children are my whole life. This has caused strained relations between my husband and me, my parents, and both of our families. All I want is my family. Name: Rosemary Baker Location: Charleston, IL E-Mail Address: roscart@yahoo.com Child/Birth Date: Oscar (12), Kyle (10), Jacob (8) Date Separated: 1/19/03 After a 2 month Mental Health Evaluation I will be allowed a supervised visit. Given the judge agrees, My Ex-husband is a clinical Psychologist which in court with no evidence was allowed to diagnose me. This is completely illegal considered these facts, I am not crazy, 1, he is my ex-husband 2,he has not done an evaluation, 3, has not lived with us for past 2 years, 4, he has a financial investment in this. 4, biased. The judge allowed this even after DCFS found it unfounded, the witness to an incident that never happened was paid by him. I had 5 neighbor witnesses. Yet i was taken to court unable to afford a lawyer, could not receive financial help because i owned a house. (no longer) In my original divorce decree I was awarded full custody of my three boys, visitation with father was every other weekend and wed. 5-8 pm, My children are terrified of their father. He is a master a manipulation and intimidation. obviously because he has had great influence over agencies that should be aware of people like this, I have found the true meaning of the cliche "money talks", His family is quite wealthy. unfortunately I was warned if I left him I would walk away with nothing, and after his final attack that is exactly what has happened, I now no longer have my children, my home, money, and soon my sanity, I desperately need somebody to help me who can make a difference. My case is classical of a psychologist who gets what he wants and knows how to get it. he has the influence of organization which he words with, and now I have no power to fight him. he knew exactly how to arrange this and has succeeded. I would love to write every detail yet that would shock most all of you. If there is anybody who thinks they could help me I will be glad to express every detail. I need a lawyer who is willing to begin without a upfront retainer, After a year and 1/2 My ex-husband has not signed a form which allows my half of our retirement to be issued to me. The judge ordered this yet he tells me I need a lawyer to enforce this. obscured is't he in contempt of court? With this money I will easily afford an excellent lawyer, He could first enforce this ruling and the money will be available within 2 weeks. There is the retainer. Then proceed vigorously to get my kids back to me. Where they want and need to be. please help, I can't keep waiting and trying I need help now. I beg somebody to help us.
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